Monday, March 9, 2009

Do you honestly believe in Karma?

Let me explain.

I believe if someone is generally bad natured and a truly mean person, that person is going to get "it" back to them because I do think you reap what you sow. (gosh, I had to look that last word up.) If you are a fucking terrible person to everyone else, you aren't going to get a lot of goodness back atcha. But if you are good towards everyone, people are going to be good back to you.

Do I think bad shit happens to good people? Sure. So I think good stuff happens to bad people? Sure. But in general, I think the more bad shit happens to bad people than good shit. And vice versa.

Do you think if a generally good person does something really shitty - will they get that shitty thing back to them automatically through Karma? Does all the bad stuff = bad doings and good stuff = good doings? Does karma mean it will all eventually add up?

43 comments:

Poltzie said...

Short answer - yes.
I do believe in Karma and that it all eventually adds up. But more than that I believe in making people happy. Because happy people treat other people well. Unhappy people treat other people poorly.
So if we are all happy, then we are all happy. Make sense?
I'm tired...

Heather and Jase said...

I believe that if I live my life in a way that I do no harm to others then I have lived a good life. I don't follow any set of "rules to live by". I'm not religious in anyway but that doesn't mean I am a heathen. I'm Heather. Close enough.

I just wish karma would hurry up and bite mah ex in his ass already. Tired of hearing, "He'll get his." Nothing so far.

Jen said...

Generally yes. There are exceptions. But generally yes.

Jenera said...

Yes and no. If it were completely true, my piece of crap father would feel the pain he put on me and my brother. And the people who give so much of themselves to others would never feel pain.

But I do think that if you generally live well and respect others, you will get the same. I have found if I'm having a terrible day and I'm rude to everyone I come across, I get it right back from everyone I come across. If I try to be civil, people are nice.

My hubby likes to help people out. I don't because I always get screwed. It seems like we are always helping people and no one wants to help us. But we have been lucky enough to have people do extraordinary things for us. So I think somehow it all balances out.

Kim said...

I used to. I am a nice person, I go out of my way to be nice. Yeah I talk shit, but I make up for it in other ways. Most people are nice to me, because I am nice to them.

But, damn my life has been pure fucking hell for the last 6 months. There is no way I have built up 6 months of hell by talking shit. No way.

If there is Karma- it can kiss my ass and show me why I am being attacked every way I turn.

Beautiful Mess said...

I do believe in Karma. Like you said, I believe you reap what you sow. I also believe that if you live your life that the "sky is falling" ALL the time, your sky WILL fall. That's just me, though. Good question and post. Your makin me think and stuff.

~Chel~ said...

Pretty much yep...I mean if you basically shit on someone, then eventually you yourself will get shit on worse...That's my opinion....Does it always happen when we want? No..I'm still waiting for others to get shit worse than they shit on me! :P

eden said...

Mmmmmm .... ve-ry interesting.

I honestly don't know any more. Dave has a rock solid belief that all his years of being an arsehole junkie led to him getting cancer last year .... I don't think so. Why would a baby get cancer, then?

I do believe in karma, though. I think. Kind-of.

theclam said...

I'm definitley a believer of good things come to those who do good and vice versa.

xxx

Kymberli said...

This is an interesting question you ask, because it is something that I have been dwelling on a lot in the past few weeks.

Yes, I generally believe that eventually, you get back when you give out. If you give out good, it will somehow come back to you and vice-versa.

But if that holds true, then Chance and Apollo are long overdue for this cycle to work. I'm having a very hard time accepting the fact that this cycle is IT, and that if it doesn't work then it means that they will never have children. It's a jagged little pill that will certainly have me doubting certainty of karma.

Steph said...

Yes. Yes I do.

My MIL used to yell and scream at her poor bedridden husband and tell him she wished he'd die because he got on her nerves. He was on dialysis and weighed maybe 70 pounds when he died. He was pitiful.

Where do you think she is now? Bedridden, in her house, by herself except for her nurses and aides who come 3x/day. Her health is extremely poor. I believe she is reaping what she sowed.

Steph
stephs_3_kidz

Soapchick said...

Yes I do believe in Karma. However unfortunately I've seen too much of the "bad things happen to good people" in my life (not so much my life - but the lives of loved ones), so karma is definitely not logical, nor all encomassing. I do secretly like it when karma comes to bites a person in the ass who has been a jerk in their past.

jenn said...

I do believe in Karma & that somewhere there is a cosmic tally. I also think that we are handed bad shit (thinking of myself as a agenerally good person) to deal with as tests. Because I am sorry- I have not done enough bad things in my life to deserve the shit I've been dealing with lately. (And I doubt you have either). I can understand dealing with IF because I had a hard time with a good friend who got pregnant the same time we started trying. I think I needed to struggle (a bit) in order to gain perspective. But I have no clue why all the financial shit is going on right this second. I am already good at budgeting & have learned my lesson as far as not buying what you can't truly afford. But perhaps that's part of karma too- not understnading why we have to face certain obstacles & struggle, but getting through it anyway?

At least that line of thinking helps me get through my day.

Wordgirl said...

I have come to believe that the most powerful force in the world is love. If you can truly channel the power of it -- and still have a strength of your own core -- and avoid the traps of anger and bitterness and jealousy -- as hard as that is sometimes -- the difference being that to look through everything with a lens of love then the whole view shifts, life has arbitrary heartbreaking shit that happens -- illness and loss and reversals of fortunes -- but it's how we behave in the face of them, at least that's what I believe -- I know that's been the hardest part of this IF journey for me -- my family is an example of truly bad shit happening -- but you know what? My grandmother was a sharp, self-focused, and acidic woman whose barbs shaped the children she raised and the lives they had and found themselves in -- all of which unraveled -- so yes, she reaped what she sowed. My father? Yes. My mother? Yes, but somehow she gave me tools to create a different life for myself.

It's funny you should ask -- just this morning W woke up in a cranky mood -- and he and his father got into it right away -- and I tried to explain to him that if you go into the world with a cranky, angry mood -- everyone you touch is affected by that darkness, like a ripple in a pond --it didn't, for the record, help his mood in the least -- but someday, maybe...

WOW -- that was a long comment ;)

XO

P

Steph O. said...

Not really "Karma", but sort of.

I agree with "what goes around, comes around." If you go through life being mean & nasty to everyone, it'll eventually catch up with you. If you treat people kindly, kindness will come back to you. So, I try to follow the "Golden Rule" in my dealings with others.

But I don't believe that the bad things that people experience are due to them being so bad that they need to be cosmically punished. I mean, how many of us have had bad stuff happen, did you really do anything THAT bad?

I believe in "time and unforseen occurance". We're all imperfect & so is the world we live in. Bad things happen to good people who don't deserve them & good things happen to bad people. In the end, what matters is what we can say for our own actions.

devonmarie said...

I like to believe in the theory of Karma, but I haven't really seen it at work in my life.

I know some shitty people who did some shitty things to others and they are living great lives. Getting everything they want.

I also know wonderful, kind people who get knocked down every step of the way.

Do I think that eventually they'll get what's coming to them? I would like to think so, but it gets harder to believe.

The Captain's Wife said...

Yes..I am a believer. You get what you deserve....

the mol said...

Hard to say. I think that we are given what we can handle, but what we deserve? Not sure. I don't think that my baby deserves cancer, nor do we deserve to go through it with him. We make the most out of it--everyone who sees him loves him; we bring treats for the docs/nurses/staff; I honestly believe that he is so affectionate because we treat him that way, even more than we otherwise would--but it sucks.

JamieD said...

I don't know if I truly believe in Karma as much as I wish it were true.

Do I believe that if you treat people well, people will return the favor? Generally, yes. You do reap what you sow.

But there are still bad people out there who I don't believe have really got their dose of Karma yet. I'm still waiting, though. And hoping.

areyoukiddingme said...

It's hard to say...on the one hand I agree with Jenn that the difficulties in my life are tests and my response to them is part of my ultimate purpose in life. That is more of a Christian/heaven/hell end-of-life reward or punishment system view for me. On the other hand, I have seen people who have done bad/evil things get repaid in very interesting ways - and I doubt they would make the connection between their own behavior and circumstances that occur a few years down the line. Some days, I hope that karma is real because I know a few people who have earned themselves some serious misery. But then I have to stop myself, because wishing ill on other people is a sure way to bring it on yourself.

~*JaYmE*~ said...

You know I used to believe in Karma but now I say fuck karma. I know I've done some stupid/shitty things in the past but I think I'm a way better person than I'm getting credit for. I donno... I guess after my loosing my dad and then IF I've become a pretty bitter person and feel that I've been dealt the shit card. Enough is enough already!

Steph said...

I wanted to add that, I don't think that bad things happen to everyone BECAUSE they've been bad (like someone's baby having cancer). Absolutely not. I think that sometimes things happen that we don't understand and there just is no explanation for--it doesn't mean you are being punished for some horrible thing you've done in the past, necessarily.


I have a strong, unwavering faith in God. I believe with all my heart that He would never ~punish~ someone by allowing their child to become sick. I don't know ~why~ it happens but I don't believe it has a thing to do with karma. And those of you with sick little ones, you are all in my prayers.

Steph
stephs_3_kidz

higretchen said...

I believe in karma - or would like to believe in karma. I think sometimes though it just takes much longer than you want it too.... like, you're a good person and do good things but a really shitty thing happens that completely destroys you. Those situations make me really question karma (like other people question their faith) and I hope that it's just going to catch up - and that karma still does exist. Thinking about karma always makes me think about my friend who is an amazing, sweet person - her 35 year old husband who was perfectly healthy dropped dead 10 months after their wedding.... I hope her karma is still coming - sorry for the downer!

Io said...

This sounds suspiciously like math.

I think people who are bad often bring things on themselves, but that bad shit happens to everyone. I'm just a pessimist I guess.

Becky aka StinkyLemsky said...

Yes, but sometimes it takes years and years to cycle back. Overall though, yes - I believe if you put good out into the world, you'll get good back.

Jewels said...

I think it just depends on what you believe Karma to be. Kind of like God. (listen to the AA guru)
but if I am a good person and do something bad, will I be severly punished for it as if I was a bad person?
Maybe it's all in what you believe to be as bad or good.
I think you get out of life what you put into it.
But there is always something to be learned, and I believe in Grace. I believe that there is something good that can come out of even a bad situation, decision, action. But only if you let it.

I think sometimes people want Karma to hurry up and give it to someone else. But how do we know that our thinking is the clear - sane thinking? What if that person is not as bad as the good person may think, and the good person is not as good as they believe themselves to be?
What if there is a lesson for all to learn, not just one party, when something bad happens.

I honestly dont know what I'm talking aobut (well..yes I do but it's all in fun for this post)

Great - Fun question.
Only think about your questions is when I hit "submit", I think of a ton of other things to say. (giggle) I need to quiet my mind.

Kate said...

i'm counting on karma to come back around on some folks, so i'd say YES i believe in karma if only because i like to think there's a sort of natural justice in the world.

Debateur said...

Honestly I don't know. I've seen some pretty amazing people have some truly awful stuff happen to them.

I even think of me I give and give and once again I've been exploited. Will the offender get it back not likely he's one of those political animals who always comes out squeeky clean.

Mermaid said...

I don't really, no. There is just too much bad happening to good people for me to believe in Karma. And too many bad people getting by without consequences.

It's kind of akin to how I feel about believing in God. I just can't right now based on evidence. My go-to example is when horrible things happen to children or babies. Maybe I mix up karma and luck. I do believe in luck, or more appropriately, bad luck.

Miss Tori said...

No, I don't believe in Karma. Yes, I think that there are consequences to our actions.

The thing I keep repeating to myself lately is that the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.

Rachel said...

I'm not sure about the philosophy of it all, but I will say that I'm sick of 'paying in' and not getting a whole lot back! Kind of sounds like taxes, doesn't it?

Not in the Water said...

I totally believe in Karma/What goes around comes around. Just sometimes it really sucks b/c it just takes so DAMN LONG to get back to those bad people!!
-Kim

Morgan said...

Again, you couldn't have said it better yourself. I don't thing Karma is a "THING" that REALLY happens, just a phrase. I think mostly good things happen to good people and vice versa like you said.

emilythehopeless said...

no, not one bit.

Geohde said...

I don't. Doesn't mean I go around being an arse to everyone, but do I think if I'm a saint only good things shall come my way? Nah.

Too cynical for that.

J

Pepper said...

I'm a bit of a contradiction. To be honest, part of the reason I avoid doing "bad" things is to avoid dealing with the bad Karma that may result. But I also believe that life is not always fair. It's the only way I can explain all the sh!t that goes on in this world.

Still, I operate under the general principle that you get out of life what you put into it. I just recognize that this isn't always true in every situatio and then hope and pray for the best.

margelina said...

I believe that you get back what you put out there...maybe not right away but that eventually iut will.

charmedgirl said...

no, i don't believe in karma at all.

things happen to people. that's it, and that's all. how can we even judge what happenings are good and bad? karma insinuates some universal truth or principle, while defining events as good or bad is so fluid over time and cultures. sure, we all know that certain events suck ass in hell, but tying them back to the inherent goodness or badness of the person? way too fucking vague. karma is just another thing people try to pacify themselves with. i wonder how many *good* people sit smugly and call upon karma while others look upon them as the bad person karma will smite. it's bullshit. anyway, aren't we ALL good AND bad? and who's judging it, anyway?

Kirsten said...

I am a huge believer in karma. I think it takes a loooong time for people to finally get what is coming to them, good and bad, which is why a lot of people don't believe in it. But, yes, bad things still happen to good people...it's just all in how you handle those bad things.

Swanson Family said...

As a general rule, yes, I do believe in karma. I try to live my life "collecting" good karma in hopes that something good might come of it.

I do feel that there are some really good people that have many bad things happen to them and vice versa. I hope that they all get what they deserve.

Shannon

Brandi said...

I do believe in Karma. I do not believe Karma is something that happens instantly though.

[edit] Spiritism
Main article: Spiritist doctrine
In Spiritism, karma is known as "the law of cause and effect", and plays a central role in determining how one's life should be lived. Spirits are encouraged to choose how (and when) to suffer retribution for the wrong they did in previous lives. Disabilities, physical or mental impairment or even an unlucky life are due to the choices a spirit makes before reincarnating (that is, before being born to a new life).

What sets Spiritism apart from the more traditional religious views is that it understands karma as a condition inherent to the spirit, whether incarnated or not: the consequences of the crimes committed by the spirit last beyond the physical life and cause him (moral) pain in the afterlife. The choice of a life of hardships is, therefore, a way to rid oneself of the pain caused by moral guilt and to perfect qualities that are necessary for the spirit to progress to a higher form.

Because Spiritism always accepted the plurality of inhabited worlds, its concept of karma became considerably complex. There are worlds that are "primitive" (in the sense that they are home to spirits newly born and still very low on intellect and morals) and a succession of more and more advanced worlds to where spirits move as they are elevated. A spirit may choose to be born on a world inferior to his own as a penance or as a mission.


[edit] New Age and Theosophy
The idea of karma was popularized in the Western world through the work of the Theosophical Society. Kardecist and Western New Age reinterpretations of karma frequently cast it as a sort of luck associated with virtue: if one does good or spiritually valuable acts, one deserves and can expect good luck; conversely, if one does harmful things, one can expect bad luck or unfortunate happenings.[citation needed] In this conception, karma is affiliated with the Neopagan law of return or Threefold Law, the idea that the beneficial or harmful effects one has on the world will return to oneself. Colloquially this may be summed up as 'what goes around comes around.'

There is also the metaphysical idea that, because karma is a force of nature and not a sentient creature capable of making value judgments, karma isn't about good and evil deeds, because applying those labels would be judgmental, but that it is about positive and negative energy, where negative energy can include things not seen as "being bad" like sadness and fear, and positive energy can be caused by being creative and solving problems as well as by exuding love and doing virtuous acts.[citation needed]It is referred to as "omniverse karma" or "omni-karma"[citation needed] because it requires the existence of an omniverse, that space that contains all possible universes. The omniverse idea includes concepts such as souls, psychic energy, synchronicity (a concept originally from psychoanalyst Carl Jung, which says that things that happen at the same time are related), and ideas from quantum or theoretical physics

calliope said...

I don't think I do believe in it anymore. That doesn't mean that I don't follow the golden rule in 99.9999% of every aspect of my life, but I had to let go of the idea that how I live my life was in direct proportion to how my life was going. I was actually VERY hard on myself going through infertility and was convinced that it was because I wasn't a good person.

of course when I hear about someone being an asshole I still hope that the universe will do a good bitch slap...

joe said...

Its all a crock, if. You really think about it it makes no sense. Ask someone for proof of karma and most likey they will say ,well so and so did this to me and they got it cause such and such happened to them,its our need for revenge and to be honest its a little selfish thinking, I mean its gotta be to believe that if someone does you wrong something some sort of cosmic entity is going to somehow make them pay its plain and simple coincidence, if anything happens and most of the time nothing happens, there are to many crimes unpunished to many assholes in the world for everyone to get what's coming to them, if you really sit and think about it, its really hard to believe in